# AC went out on year old car - dealership says not covered by warranty **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** airconditioning, kia\ **Created:** [July 18, 2023, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770 "2023-07-18T13:52:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Defaultemode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/defaultemode/32/35341_2.png) [@Defaultemode](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Defaultemode)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/63 "2023-07-19T17:58:32Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > Who the hell is referring to collision insurance? It is on their collision page that those types of incidents are covered under comprehensive… [Comprehensive Auto Insurance Coverage - State Farm®](https://www.statefarm.com/insurance/auto/coverage-options/comprehensive-coverage) ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/64 "2023-07-19T18:09:21Z")
I don’t see where it covers damage from gravel/asphalt strikes. They also state this under the comprehensive coverage: **we will decide whether to pay the cost to repair,** Tester ---
**Author:** ![nofyfb\_180405](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@nofyfb\_180405](https://community.cartalk.com/u/nofyfb_180405)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/65 "2023-07-19T18:54:41Z")
I use this [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-2-in-Mesh-x-2-ft-x-5-ft-19-Gauge-Galvanized-Steel-Hardware-Cloth-308221EB/205960835](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-2-in-Mesh-x-2-ft-x-5-ft-19-Gauge-Galvanized-Steel-Hardware-Cloth-308221EB/205960835) But you do have a point - stealer will claim anything to avoid warranty work but if you - like I - buy Totyotas only, chances of needing warranty work are next to zero. I realize that not everybody has means to do work themselves and sincerely feel sorry for those who at the mercy of a friendly stealer… ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/66 "2023-07-19T20:03:18Z")
I’m a cautious sort, so only rarely need to file insurance claims. I’m a net asset for my insurance company, paying considerably more to them than they pay to me. If my insurance company balks at paying a “leaner” claim (meaning reasonable people could disagree), I mention to the agent I’ve noticed there are other insurance company offices around town, some just down the road. Gets their immediate attention. ---
**Author:** ![Defaultemode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/defaultemode/32/35341_2.png) [@Defaultemode](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Defaultemode)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/67 "2023-07-19T20:08:25Z")
I’ve never filed a claim for payment. Not one time since I started driving almost 20 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![D.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@D.J](https://community.cartalk.com/u/D.J)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:06am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/68 "2023-07-20T09:06:09Z")
That’s probably why the dealership said it was caused by road debris. So they wouldn’t have to cover it and could deny it. Whether it actually was caused by road debris or not. ---
**Author:** ![D.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@D.J](https://community.cartalk.com/u/D.J)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 9:11am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/69 "2023-07-20T09:11:26Z")
I think the op would be satisfied if the dealership replaced his condenser and didn’t charge charge him for it ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/70 "2023-07-20T11:29:46Z")
> [@Nevada\_545](#): > > A note about refrigerant: R1234yf is $150 per pound, maybe more. That’s how much R12 costs! ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/71 "2023-07-20T12:52:28Z")
> [@D.J](#): > > That’s probably why the dealership said it was caused by road debris. So they wouldn’t have to cover it and could deny it. It’s no skin off the dealership nose, they don’t pay for warranty claims. Those are reimbursed by the manufacturer, albeit on a tight budget. But the dealership is more concerned with a happy customer and would gladly submit it as a warranty claim if they thought it would get approved. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/72 "2023-07-20T14:51:53Z")
Doubt it… he has a large list of other items hes complaining about also that are mostly nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![eddo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/eddo/32/2594_2.png) [@eddo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/eddo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/73 "2023-07-20T15:47:15Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > > [@Nevada\_545](#): > > > > A note about refrigerant: R1234yf is $150 per pound, maybe more. > > That’s how much R12 costs! not even close. cans of r12 are all over ebay for less than $30 a pound. A little digging may even find it cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/74 "2023-07-20T16:55:03Z")
> [@eddo](#): > > not even close. cans of r12 are all over ebay for less than $30 a pound. It looks like those are some kind of chemical substitute. A company once sold a propane like product as a substitute but the EPA made them stop and fined them due to “safety” reasons, even though that’s no tthe EPA’s jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/75 "2023-07-20T17:08:58Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > even though that’s no tthe EPA’s jurisdiction. Why don’t you get the facts straight before you type? [https://www.epa.gov/snap/substitutes-mvac-passenger-air-conditioning-light-duty-medium-duty-heavy-duty-and-road](https://www.epa.gov/snap/substitutes-mvac-passenger-air-conditioning-light-duty-medium-duty-heavy-duty-and-road) Tester ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/76 "2023-07-20T17:39:45Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > Why don’t you get the facts straight before you type? I’d like to see what federal law gives the Environmental Protection Agency jurisdiction to ban a product sold due to safety risk to humans. Could the EPA ban the sale of propane for a BBQ? Could they ban tasers if they are dangerous? Has the EPA been given jurisdiction over refrigeration systems of any type? ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/77 "2023-07-20T17:47:56Z")
You should also learn to comprehend what you read. substitutes are reviewed on the basis of environmental and \*_ **health risks** ,_ The EPA has jurisdiction over all refrigerants and their substitutes. Be it stationary or mobile refrigeration systems > **[Substitutes in Refrigeration and Air Conditioning | US EPA](https://www.epa.gov/snap/substitutes-refrigeration-and-air-conditioning)** > > This page lists and describes the refrigeration and air conditioning end-uses. Tester ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/78 "2023-07-20T18:01:54Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > Why don’t you get the facts straight before you type? Do you realy e[quote="TheWonderful90s, post:74, even though that’s no tthe EPA’s jurisdiction [/quote]Do you realy expect the -SNOWMAN- to get the facts straight “Tester, post:77, topic:191770”] You should also learn to comprehend what you read. [/quote] Not gonna happen with the -SNOWMAN - Who by the way at tis time of year should be melted or at the north pole’ Oops forgot about global warmling. ---
**Author:** ![D.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@D.J](https://community.cartalk.com/u/D.J)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/80 "2023-07-20T18:32:03Z")
I dunno, loose trim, rusted brake rotors, a horn that doesn’t work intermittently, and Android Auto that’s unreliable, that doesn’t seem like nonsense to me. I think the dealership should address all of those issues too. The dealership should also submit the condenser issue to the manufacturer for warranty work if they’re so concerned with keeping a happy customer. If the manufacturer denies the claim at that point, so be it. End of process ---
**Author:** ![nofyfb\_180405](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@nofyfb\_180405](https://community.cartalk.com/u/nofyfb_180405)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/81 "2023-08-28T15:12:43Z")
Sorry to give you bad news but as a former Mechanical Inspector, I can tell that no warranty covers physical - in your case road debris - damage. Same goes for extended warranty. Lucky me I can - and did - replace a condenser myself, it’s not rocket science. Moreover, you can get OEM parts A LOT cheaper than at a stealer. In my case, I bought the condenser from Denso (OEM) directly for less than $200 vs Toyota stealer’s $600). I don’t know who makes stuff for kia but it’s likely of a substandard quality anyways so aftermarket may not be any worse. The vacuum pump and manifolds cost a little over $100, and pay for themselves in one repair. I don’t know how many times my setup paid for itself over the years/multiple vehicles. There are numerous “how to” videos on youtube… ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/82 "2023-08-28T16:01:14Z")
Road Hazard warranty… But I know what you meant… lol ---
**Author:** ![Defaultemode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/defaultemode/32/35341_2.png) [@Defaultemode](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Defaultemode)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ac-went-out-on-year-old-car-dealership-says-not-covered-by-warranty/191770/83 "2023-08-28T16:48:47Z")
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