# A test drive of the Tesla Model 3 is very positive **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** models, tesla\ **Created:** [July 31, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449 "2017-07-31T20:57:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/121 "2017-08-08T01:26:20Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > I do not know they are unuseable by other cars Yep, incompatible charging systems. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/122 "2017-08-08T01:34:53Z")
Yikes, it’s worse than I thought - there are (at least) 3 systems out there. The new Chevy Bolt only works with one of them, the Nissan Leaf with two, I don’t know how many the Tesla can use: > **[Chevy Bolt EV mis-advertising access to Tesla Supercharger and CHAdeMO stations...](https://electrek.co/2016/12/06/tesla-supercharger-chevy-bolt-ev-chargingpoint/)** > > There seems to be an unlikely rivalry brewing amongst charging networks, and while at first it could have been seen as a good thing since competition is generally good for customers, it now seems t… Why in the world have EV makers not agreed to some standards, with all the computer power available the car could immediately inform the charger of its needs, and the charger would deliver appropriate current. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/123 "2017-08-08T01:35:49Z")
Here’s an article on Tesla’s supercharger rates: > **[Tesla explains how much Supercharging will cost new buyers](https://www.engadget.com/2017-01-12-tesla-supercharging-prices.html)** > > If you've still yet to buy your dream Model X or S, we're afraid you only have a couple of days to get one with free lifetime access to Tesla's Supercharger stations. That perk ends on January 15th and will be replaced by a more limited offering.... Pull quote: > According to Tesla’s research, 400 kWh is enough to power one of its cars for 1,000 miles and can cover the driving needs of most owners for a whole year. Hmmmmmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/124 "2017-08-08T01:44:25Z")
Yes there should be a standard, they are selling a charge, mean and spiteful to limit the market to your brand only, Guess I have to look into creating an after market adapter. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/125 "2017-08-08T02:15:34Z")
Aftermarket’s taken care of the supercharger problem: > **[New Tesla to J1772 adapter allows other electric cars to charge at Tesla’s...](https://electrek.co/2017/06/20/tesla-j1772-adapter-electric-cars-destination-chargers/)** > > Here’s a controversial new electric car accessory, the JDapter Stub (Tesla Charge Station Adaptor), which allows owners of non-Tesla electric cars, like the BMW i3 or the Nissan Leaf, to char… ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/126 "2017-08-08T02:55:57Z")
That doesn’t work at the Superchargers. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/127 "2017-08-08T03:24:38Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > mean and spiteful to limit the market to your brand only What’s mean and spiteful about not investing your own company’s money in supporting your competitors’ products? Isn’t it enough that they allow anybody to copy their technology? Let their competitors invest in their own infrastructures. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/128 "2017-08-08T03:57:48Z")
And create a huge barrier to EV adoption… ---
**Author:** ![meanjoe75fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/meanjoe75fan/32/552_2.png) [@meanjoe75fan](https://community.cartalk.com/u/meanjoe75fan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/129 "2017-08-08T04:16:30Z")
> [@the\_same\_mountainbik](#): > > What’s mean and spiteful about not investing your own company’s money in supporting your competitors’ products? Isn’t it enough that they allow anybody to copy their technology? Let their competitors invest in their own infrastructures. I think the FTC might view a proprietary charging network as an attempt to seek out an anti-competitive monopoly. In a sense, Tesla might luck out, as one political party doesn’t much like the FTC doing much…and the other thinks Tesla can do no wrong. I, OTOH, have a real problem with trust-seeking! Eventually, some enterprising nerd will reverse-engineer a supercharger access for non-Teslas. How Tesla responds to this will be…illuminating. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/130 "2017-08-08T04:56:07Z")
Tesla claims there are 6,118 Tesla Supercharger connections/parking spots in North America, there are more than 25,000 public level 1 and level 2 connections in North America, no shortage of charging stations for other than Tesla electric vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![ArlHtsMelissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/arlhtsmelissa/32/22867_2.png) [@ArlHtsMelissa](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ArlHtsMelissa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/131 "2017-08-08T12:32:46Z")
Does anyone remember the Cartalk TV show on PBS where they talked about the Tesla vehicle? It must have been back around 2005ish. Is there a copy of it here on the [cartalk.com](http://cartalk.com)? ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/132 "2017-08-08T13:26:19Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > And they never really recovered They never recovered? Are you kidding me? [https://amigobulls.com/articles/just-how-big-is-apple](https://amigobulls.com/articles/just-how-big-is-apple) ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/133 "2017-08-08T13:35:29Z")
> [@ArlHtsMelissa](#): > > Does anyone remember the Cartalk TV show on PBS where they talked about the Tesla vehicle? It was not produced by Cartalk, but by PBS and they got Tom and Ray to narrate it. It was not specifically about the Tesla, but about alternative energy vehicles (which included electric cars and even hydrogen cars). > **[Car of the Future](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/car-of-the-future/)** > > Join the "Car Talk" guys as they hit the road in search of a new breed of clean, fuel-efficient vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/134 "2017-08-08T14:26:53Z")
> [@meanjoe75fan](#): > > I think the FTC might view a proprietary charging network as an attempt to seek out an anti-competitive monopoly. You need to familiarize yourself with the FTC regulations. Not investing in your competitors or having a proprietary support system for your own products is not predatory. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/135 "2017-08-08T14:48:45Z")
> [@MikeInNH](#): > > They never recovered? Are you kidding me? No, I’m not kidding. They have a 7.1% market share in desktops/laptops. Their highest market share _ever_ was 13.4% in 2014, despite the fact that they _invented_ the kind of home PC that people actually wanted to use. Their marketshare for smartphones, another product they popularized, isn’t much better, bouncing between around 12 and 16%. Android is wiping the floor with them. They make a lot of money because their product is overpriced, but not all that many people are buying their stuff compared to the competition. > [@texases](#): > > That doesn’t work at the Superchargers. You’re right - it works at the destination chargers. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/136 "2017-08-08T15:12:13Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > No, I’m not kidding. They have a 7.1% market share in desktops/laptops. They’re one of the largest companies in the world. Their net worth is bigger then Dell and HP - COMBINED. They have a EBITDA of 42.5 (this number is HUGE) over the past 10 years. Those numbers are through the roof. A EBIDTA of 10 or greater is considered healthy. And you say they never recovered? Your definition of recovery vastly differs from mine. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/137 "2017-08-08T15:33:40Z")
You seem to keep missing the part where, from the beginning, I’ve been talking about _market share,_ not _profits._ ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/138 "2017-08-08T17:04:22Z")
Market share in a shrinking market is meaningless. Apple saw the market shift to Tablets and cell phones and actually did something about it. Dell and HP are just paying catch-up. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/139 "2017-08-08T17:23:48Z")
Except that the whole point I was making hinged around making Macs proprietary back in the 80’s and 90’s, which sent most consumers to the PC/DOS/Windows side of the fence, and Macintosh, as I said, never recovered and has a truly pathetic showing in the marketplace. This move hurt them so badly that they came very close to going under. The iPod saved them, which it should be noted was not a proprietary format. Hmm. They did the same thing with the iPhone that they did with the Mac, and their market share is pathetic there too. Sure, they make tons of money off of it because they charge $400 more per phone than they’re worth. They’re fortunate in having developed a cult following of “creative” people who would buy a $1,000 brick if it had an Apple logo on it. But the bottom line is that as far as market penetration goes they are getting obliterated, and if the “creatives” ever figure out that macs do exactly the same thing PCs do for half the price, and Androids do exactly the same things iPhones do, but better and with more flexibility, their income will freefall. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449/140 "2017-08-08T18:08:33Z")
Market share is NOT a way to compare a companies growth or worth. It’s a very misleading figure because of market growth or decline. But let’s use that for argument sake. In 1984 Apple sold 240,000 Macs and owned 84% of the market. 2016 Mac dropped from 84% market share when the Mac first rolled out to 10% market share and selling 18,446,000 Mac’s. Market Share dropped and Sales have increased 50 fold. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-test-drive-of-the-tesla-model-3-is-very-positive/106449.md?page=8)