# A new GM steering issue...but no recall **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 11, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618 "2015-04-11T02:16:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/81 "2015-04-18T23:53:17Z")
Even a free market champion like George W. bush though that the auto companies should have been given emergency loans to help them overcome the collapse in the finance market. And as president, he could and did put his (our) money where his mouth was. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 5:36am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/82 "2015-04-19T05:36:16Z")
> **Even a free market champion like George W. bush though that the auto companies should have been given emergency loans to help them overcome the collapse in the finance market. And as president, he could and did put his (our) money where his mouth was.** That act alone tells me he’s NOT a free market Champion. He’s like a lot of modern capitalists…they want a free market when it suits their pocketbooks…and a closed regulated market to stifle competition. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/83 "2015-04-19T05:43:21Z")
Well, JT, if that’s what you think the function of the government is, than I agree with Mike. Let’s just do away with ~~freedom ~~… um, free enterprise… altogether and just let the government take over all businesses. However, you might want to read our founding documents. You might be shocked to learn that is not the function of the government. If you read how the founding documents came to be what they are, you might also discover that our founders feared that the newly formed federal government would abuse its authority and begin to take over the freedoms of private individuals including their right to run their businesses free of government oversight. And nowhere in any document anywhere was the government given the authority to take our money in taxes and give it to private enterprises. On the contrary, that’s what King George III did… taxed the colonialists heavily and used the money for his friends in England. You may recall that was one of the reasons independence was declared in 1776 and the constitution ratified in 1787, with Bill of Rights ratified in 1791. An estimated 25,000 patriots died in the revolutionary war to free us from government abuse. Buuuut, I guess we can just forget about all that. Right? ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/84 "2015-04-19T18:47:54Z")
Society has changed over the last 250 years and government did too. I’m not pleased with everything that occurred with the spect to the government either, but I am pretty sure that American society made the US government what it is today. Since representatives are elected by many of us (some refuse to vote), it seems logical to assume that we are still a government of the people. The auto company loans were part of TARP because the real problem was that no one could get a loan for anything, including automobiles. TARP was $700 billion. But total loans and loan guarantees ended up over $10 trillion by 2011 and total federal expenditures besides the loans and loan guarantees were around $2.5 trillion. Less than $10 billion is a fraction of a percent. It would look large in my bank account, but is a drop in the bucket for a Federal government with total annual expenditures over $1 trillion. I don’t know for sure, but maybe they figured that such an insignificant sum wasn’t worth the extra cost to extract it. If you believe it is worth going after, contact your elected representatives and tell them. If enough people do so, it might get somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/85 "2015-04-19T19:32:27Z")
“some refuse to vote” I slightly disagree with the term “refuse” I’d say that many/most of those who don’t vote are ignorant, don’t care, or don’t feel like making time to go to the voting booth I would say out of those that don’t vote, only a minority ACTIVELY refuse to vote ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/86 "2015-04-19T19:49:41Z")
> **Since representatives are elected by many of us (some refuse to vote), it seems logical to assume that we are still a government of the people.** REALLY??? We are a government of big business and big money…The tea-party is just one example of that. A couple of billionaires funding a group of idiots can do a lot of damage. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/87 "2015-04-19T20:24:38Z")
The Tea Party is certainly different than the Democrat Party: > **[Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration](http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.com/2009/09/compare-garbage-after-tea-party-vs.html)** > > Obama inauguration left over 100 tons of trash on the ground: The 2 million man Tea Party left about 0 trash: UPDATE! We found a pict... ;-] ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/88 "2015-04-19T20:44:21Z")
I’ll guess which way you’re leaning But I won’t say what my guess is If you want to, go right ahead But I’m not dying to know 👅 ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/89 "2015-04-19T21:13:06Z")
There are plenty of morons on both sides of the political aisles or issues. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/90 "2015-04-19T22:16:29Z")
I agree with that Not only that, but I think that there have been a few presidents and politicians that have done things that seem “out of line” with the norms for their party For example, I don’t believe Obama has been very good for the environment. He’s in bed with the frackers, after all And former Governor Romney’s health care plan in his own home state . . . which he now apparently wishes he had no part of I think Bobby Jindal is a moron That’s balanced out by the fact that I think Charlie Rangle . . . ? . . . is corrupt ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/91 "2015-04-20T00:31:11Z")
There certainly is a lot of big money in politics these days, but the big money candidates still have to convince enough of the voting public that they are the right scoundrel to vote for. There are fewer sausage makers than e were in the past, and that, it seems, is the reason for gridlock. Don’t ever expect to get all that you desire from your politicians, especially if you are at one of the political extremes. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/92 "2015-04-20T00:32:48Z")
Does Romney wish he never was part of Romneycare because it was the model for Obamacare? ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/93 "2015-04-20T02:30:59Z")
I’ll bet you lunch that Mitt Romney cringes every time he hears the term “Romneycare” I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that a lot of people in his home state thought Romneycare worked out fairly well But Mitt Romney himself now supposedly . . . at least in the media . . . would like to disassociate himself from it ☹ ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/94 "2015-04-20T02:41:19Z")
**^** Because the main talking point of his party was opposition to “Obamacare”, but “Obamacare” was essentially cloned from “Romneycare”, there was not very much left for Mitt to campaign on. But…in order to keep this on an auto-related theme…Mitt stated during the campaign that his wife “drives two Cadillacs”. However, there was no verification as to whether she actually drove them simultaneously, as he had seemed to imply. **;-))** ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/95 "2015-04-20T05:42:44Z")
> **I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that a lot of people in his home state thought Romneycare worked out fairly well** Romney’s home state is New Hampshire. He just had a small house in MA that he lived in part of the time…he has a huge house in Wolfboro NH on lake Winnipesaukee. > **[Mitt Romney's New Hampshire getaway](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitt-romneys-new-hampshire-getaway/)** > > A look at the presidential contender's $10M lakeside vacation home and the surrounding town in the first primary state ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/96 "2015-04-20T06:05:31Z")
Fine I seem to remember reading that a lot of people in the state in which Romneycare was started thought it worked out fairly well 👅 ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/97 "2015-04-20T06:06:10Z")
> **There are plenty of morons on both sides of the political aisles or issues** None as bad as the Tea Party - that I can see. A good portion still think the Tea Party is a grass roots movement…even shown the facts it was started by and funded by the Koch brothers. And then there’s Bachmann and Palin…You don’t get any dumber then that. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/98 "2015-04-20T06:19:54Z")
JT, it’s true that society has changed over the last 250 years, but I don’t recall a constitutional amendment authorizing the executive branch to use taxation to prop up failed private businesses. Can you tell me which one that is? ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/99 "2015-04-20T06:27:55Z")
No loopier than left wing groups funded by people like George Soros and I fail to see how the Koch brothers are that bad. There’s a boatload of people in my area alone who have good jobs because of the Koch brothers and if you enjoy things like natural gas or food on the table the Koch brothers are responsible for some of that. Shut off the gas, quit eating, and hit the Koch brothers where it hurts… ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618/100 "2015-04-20T08:07:47Z")
speaking of the Koch brothers . . . I seem to remember a line from a movie, and I may not be quoting it exactly The smartest thing the devil did was making you think he doesn’t exist 😨 [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-new-gm-steering-issue-but-no-recall/89618.md?page=6)