# A Lada for Luddites **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 15, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666 "2022-06-15T18:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666/1 "2022-06-15T18:26:17Z")
Unfortunately for the anti-technology faction, you can’t buy one in The US, or in Europe. > **[Russia's economy in for a bumpy ride as sanctions bite](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61796067)** > > Four months after Russia invaded Ukraine, the economy still works but it lacks some of its parts. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666/2 "2022-06-15T18:46:47Z")
The car doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it would, to be honest. Although it probably is. Pretty impressive that they’re still able to manufacture them with only ABS, airbags, and seatbelt pretensioners missing. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666/3 "2022-06-15T20:04:02Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > The car doesn’t look as terrible as I thought it would, to be honest. Although it probably is. How can you say that about a car that was developed with the “help” of Renault? 😉 > **[Lada Granta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_Granta)** > > The Lada Granta (Russian: Ла́да Гра́нта) is a subcompact car developed by Russian automaker AvtoVAZ in collaboration with Renault, based on the Lada Kalina platform. Mass sales started in Russia on 1 December 2011. > Additional production at the Izhevsk plant began in September 2012, after the old VAZ-2107 was removed from production. A five-door hatchback variant, aimed at replacing the discontinued Lada Samara 2 series in the line-up, debuted in 2014. > The Lada Granta was the best-selling car ... ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666/4 "2022-06-15T20:13:22Z")
Renault ended the joint venture this year but it was designed for the Russian market, Dacia’s would have a better chance of coming here, but they don’t offer the luddite spec Sandero in the UK anymore, ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/a-lada-for-luddites/184666/5 "2022-06-15T22:00:54Z")
I think the Lada looks pretty good. It’s reliability, safety, don’t know about that, but an econobox with no-airbags, no electronic stability control, no ABS, and simple seat belts, seems a step up the reliability ladder to me. The problem I expect for the average Russian citizen isn’t that there are no new cars for sale with airbags; the problem is they can’t justify making any big purchases b/c of the rest of the economic problems outlined. China’s and India’s “sanctions? what sanctions?” massive purchases of Russian oil are about the only thing propping up their economy.