# 2013 Toyota Matrix - Oil seap **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** engines, toyota\ **Created:** [March 24, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598 "2024-03-24T20:20:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jean02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jean02](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jean02)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/1 "2024-03-24T20:20:04Z")
I have a slow seap of oil from head gasket at only 100 thousand kilometers. Wondering if anyone else has this problem. I purchased a used model 7 years ago at time it had 58000 kilometers. Had regular checkups and oil changes. Also have issue with right front hubcap. Was advised to have another engine installed to solve head gasket issue. Car is now 11 years old is it worth fixing? ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/2 "2024-03-24T20:59:49Z")
1.8L or 2.4L ??? For those of you out there like me, 100K = 62137 miles, and 58K = 36039 miles… lol ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/3 "2024-03-24T21:11:15Z")
> [@Jean02](#): > > Was advised to have another engine installed to solve head gasket issue. hmmm … That’s unusual device. What is the shop’s reason for installing a new engine vs just replacing the head gasket? The problem w/installing another engine is you may be introducing problems you currently don’t have, esp true if your car has been regularly serviced and gently driven. For comparison purposes, my 30 + year old Corolla w/1.6 L engine, 200K + miles, the only oil leaks have been from the valve cover gasket. Are you certain your oil leak isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/4 "2024-03-27T14:44:15Z")
Like Geoge said, engine replacement is not the normal cure, if it is a head gasket. I’d want a second opinion, much more common to have a valve cover gasket leak, which is not expensive to replace. Either way, if it is just a ‘seep’, and not causing you to add significant oil between oil changes, I’d just live with it. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/5 "2024-03-27T17:19:38Z")
Who told you to replace the engine and what was their reason? Normally the gasket would be replaced unless there is a crack in the engine block that clauses the leak at the block/head interface. ---
**Author:** ![Jean02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jean02](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jean02)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/6 "2024-03-27T18:48:16Z")
Thanks for the feedback. Took the car to 2 mechanics and neither one mentioned the valve cover gasket. So after your response I have set up appointment with Toyota service dept. They also mentioned the valve cover gasket. I am retired and my car is in very good condition so think it worthwhile to get proper estimate. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/7 "2024-03-27T20:32:17Z")
Thanks for the feedback. Please keep us informed of your progress. Best of luck. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/8 "2024-03-29T00:49:51Z")
Used engines are not a good idea. I seriously doubt the head gasket is leaking, when they leak, they generally leak coolant, not oil. I think you have a mechanic that doesn’t know the difference between a valve cover gasket and a head gasket. Your car is at the age when valve cover leaks often show up, and you would never replace an engine for valve cover leak. Cost should be around $40 for the gasket set and an hour labor, so about $150. But just how bad is the leak? $150 buys a lot of oil. If you are only losing a quart between oil changes, I’d leave it alone. If you are losing a quart every 500 miles or less, I’d look at the front oil seal. If that is leaking, get it fixed as they can loose oil for a while, and then catastrophically fail, dumping all the oil out of the engine in a few seconds. Again about a $150 fix. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/9 "2024-03-29T05:05:51Z")
> [@keith](#): > > I seriously doubt the head gasket is leaking, when they leak, they generally leak coolant, not oil. I’ve replaced a few late-model Toyota head gaskets for oil leaks. > [@keith](#): > > Cost should be around $40 for the gasket set and an hour labor, so about $150 With an hour of labor is hovering around the $200 mark, your estimate is off by about a hundred bucks. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/10 "2024-03-29T21:57:44Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > I’ve replaced a few late-model Toyota head gaskets for oil leaks. Interesting. Where were they leaking? From the inside to the outside? Or internal oil leaks? ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/11 "2024-03-29T23:06:57Z")
I believe this port is the oil pressure feed for the cylinder head/camshaft. If there is any speculation the head bolt threads have pulled out of the block or the engine has suffered a severe overheating event, the owner should be made aware of the possibility of engine replacement will be needed. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/4/1/415ea7fbb32667e441f525c25f0fcea7ffb9ade9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/12 "2024-03-29T23:11:28Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Interesting. Where were they leaking? From the inside to the outside? External oil leak. Similar to the picture Nevada posted above. Decades ago the Chrysler 2.0 engines in the Neon, etc., were also known to leak oil. If I recall there was a revised gasket for that one. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/13 "2024-03-30T00:18:03Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > With an hour of labor is hovering around the $200 mark, your estimate is off by about a hundred bucks. 😀 All the more oil that the cost of the gasket replacement would buy. I’d pay a penny to save a dollar, but I wouldn’t pay a dollar to save a penny. > [@asemaster](#): > > I’ve replaced a few late-model Toyota head gaskets for oil leaks. Would a head gasket leak enough oil to justify the cost of replacement? If it leaks coolant, yeah replace, but a little oil? ---
**Author:** ![shanonia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@shanonia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shanonia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/14 "2024-03-30T02:58:23Z")
My 1984 Chevy Cavalier 2.0L had a small head gasket leak to the outside. Oil or coolant - I don’t remember for sure, but I think oil. I carefully torqued the head bolts and the leak stopped. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/2013-toyota-matrix-oil-seap/194598/15 "2024-03-30T03:45:31Z")
> [@keith](#): > > Would a head gasket leak enough oil to justify the cost of replacement? I once did $1800 worth of work to a 14 year old Kia Sportage because the condo association where the customer lived was strict about no oil leaks in the parking garage. I had a customer with a 20 year old Suburban. He came back from a 300 mile trip and found a drop of oil the size of a dime on the floor. He insisted we replace the rear main seal. It’s not up to me to decide. You keep paying, we keep fixing.