# 10k too long to do Lexus 1st oil change? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** lexus, es350\ **Created:** [May 17, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057 "2014-05-17T18:54:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/41 "2014-05-19T01:07:25Z")
I stand corrected. I heartedly recommend you buy one. ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/42 "2014-05-19T01:09:14Z")
The oil flowed parallel to the cardboard tube. When removed, the tight paper roll could be unrolled - I presume the wholength but I never unrolled it very far. There was no water to dissolve the paper as it is meant to do in the sewage system. When I checked his dipstick, his oil always looked clear and brand new! ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/43 "2014-05-19T01:12:45Z")
I’ll keep using toilet paper for its intended purpose, thank you very much ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/44 "2014-05-19T01:13:34Z")
Robert, I’d bet my morning muffins that the oil was flowing through the bypass rather than being drawn through the paper. That’s the same functionally as having no filter at all. Try soaking a roll in oil. Let me know what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/45 "2014-05-19T01:14:53Z")
> _"I'll keep using toilet paper for its intended purpose, thank you very much"_ I.nstalled this in our house: (How can I do an image?) http://amdmllc.com/?p=299 ![]() ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/46 "2014-05-19T01:19:55Z")
Yes, I assume under high engine RPM much oil had to bypass through the screw-on or pleated filter canister filter. I could not know what kind of backpressure the tight toilet roll created. But oil also flowed through the toilet paper roll. Otherwise it would not have “appeared” so clean so long. No knowledge about oil breakdown. This was early 1970s. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/47 "2014-05-19T01:23:36Z")
**"Try soaking a roll in oil. Let me know what happens. "** +1 In fact, just try soaking a roll of TP in boiling water for a few hours, and let us know what happens! Think about the extremely high temperatures that take place inside an IC engine. Think about the reality that combustion produces moisture, acids, and other byproducts of combustion–in addition to those extremely high temperatures. So…apparently all of the car manufacturers in the world are wrong when they choose to use filter media that was designed for filtering extremely high temperature oil that also contains moisture, acids, and other combustion byproducts? If only they realized that a roll of Charmin was superior to that filtering media! If only all of those vehicle manufacturers were as…enlightened…as Robert and his friend… ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/48 "2014-05-19T01:25:34Z")
Ah, so oil bypassing the TP goes through a regular filter? Now I definitely think you should buy one! And use Charmin (I have some P&G stock). ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/49 "2014-05-19T01:30:34Z")
^ It was his vehicle/his filter. I was merely a teenager changing his oil and working on his engine and vehicle: tuning, tappet adjustment, spark plugs, new water pump, later new generator, new brake pads, etc., etc. The toilet paper sheets remained intact with the sheets parallel to each other. No mush. (This was not Charmin® toilet paper.) ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/50 "2014-05-19T01:58:01Z")
A bidet seat! Yowsa! I discovered them on my trips to Japan. I don’t want one, I want four. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/51 "2014-05-19T02:06:39Z")
What, exactly, does an Intelliseat DO? I was unable to find out via the link. ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/52 "2014-05-19T02:14:12Z")
> _A bidet seat! ... I don't want one, I want four._ Yes! Bought ours at Costco. Only obstacle was wiring in a GFI outlet behind the toilet. Also perfect for a nightlight for the water closet. (Naturally, as I was crammed in behind the toilet installing the outlet, a hospital called for an emergent blood platelet transport.) ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/53 "2014-05-19T02:17:33Z")
^ It sprays warm water (adjustable temperature) (adjustable force), select for male back or female front or back. Has its own warm water reservoir and heated seat and blow dryer. Everyone should have one! Was thinking of starting my own company: **Bob’s Bidets** _You can pay us Tuesday, for a bidet today!_ ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/54 "2014-05-19T02:18:48Z")
I’ll be darned, they still sell 'em (TP filters, that is): [http://www.frantzoil.com/installation.html](http://www.frantzoil.com/installation.html) ---
**Author:** ![dagosa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/dagosa/32/9837_2.png) [@dagosa](https://community.cartalk.com/u/dagosa)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/55 "2014-05-19T02:21:22Z")
@robert‌gift Way, way too much information. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/56 "2014-05-19T02:28:26Z")
Bob, this explains so much. ---
**Author:** ![PvtPublic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pvtpublic/32/13089_2.png) [@PvtPublic](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PvtPublic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/57 "2014-05-19T02:36:28Z")
> I'll be darned, they still sell 'em (TP filters, that is): > > [http://www.frantzoil.com/installation.html](http://www.frantzoil.com/installation.html) Great! (Sarc) now I can have 2 messy filters to change instead of just 1. ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/58 "2014-05-19T02:41:48Z")
> _"Great! (Sarc) now I can have 2 messy filters to change instead of just 1."_ The toilet paper filter I changed was at the top of the engine, easily accessible. Much easier than the engine oil filter. I recall that the engine filter was not often replaced because the TP filter cleaned the oil so well. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/59 "2014-05-19T02:43:25Z")
Bob, we’ll await your report. Have you ordered the TP filter yet? ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057/60 "2014-05-19T02:48:01Z")
^ Would a TP filter not invalidate the warranty? I would not know how to install one in today’s engines. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/10k-too-long-to-do-lexus-1st-oil-change/85057.md?page=4)