# '09 Grand Caravan, lug nuts or part of the hubcap? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 22, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166 "2012-06-22T19:54:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EllyEllis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f14d63/32.png) [@EllyEllis](https://community.cartalk.com/u/EllyEllis)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/1 "2012-06-22T19:54:16Z")
My '09 Caravan has what looks like lugnuts holding the hubcaps on. Id this true or are they part of the hubcap, with lugnuts under the caps. I don’t want to twist one off if it is. Anyone out there know. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Marc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Big\_Marc](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Big_Marc)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/2 "2012-06-22T21:34:41Z")
did you look in the owners maneul? ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/3 "2012-06-22T22:42:11Z")
![](http://images.craigslist.org/5Nf5L55Hc3Mf3Nc3lac5mb460a3af56eb10f0.jpg) Is that what it looks like? If so, yes, the lug nuts (or, more accurately, 3 of the lug nuts) are holding the hubcap on. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/4 "2012-06-22T22:49:25Z")
Put a magnet against it. If it sticks, it’s a metal lug nut. It it doesn’t, its a glued on plastic decorative nut. ---
**Author:** ![EllyEllis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f14d63/32.png) [@EllyEllis](https://community.cartalk.com/u/EllyEllis)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2012, 7:50am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/5 "2012-06-23T07:50:19Z")
Thanks to both of you guys. Yes the picture is axactly my hubcap and yes I tried a magnet and it stuck to the lugnuts. ---
**Author:** ![mark9207](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@mark9207](https://community.cartalk.com/u/mark9207)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/6 "2012-06-24T00:16:23Z")
Note the orientation of the valve stem notch. When you put the hubcap back on, install the wheel with two lug nuts where the clips are, pop the hubcap onto the clips, then install the other three lug nuts through the hubcap to secure it. ---
**Author:** ![EllyEllis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f14d63/32.png) [@EllyEllis](https://community.cartalk.com/u/EllyEllis)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/7 "2012-06-24T03:16:01Z")
Big Marc June 22 did you look in the owners maneul? Yes I have read the manual but I couldn’t find the answer. I suppose they think an owner is smarter than that. Marl 9207. since I have never had one off I don’t understand what you are talking about, but I’m sure I will understand when I take a wheel off. ---
**Author:** ![mark9207](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@mark9207](https://community.cartalk.com/u/mark9207)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:40am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/8 "2012-06-24T04:40:29Z")
You can see the clips in the picture shadowfax posted. They are in the two cavities opposite one another farthest from the valve stem notch. The other three lack the clips and are what actually holds the hubcap to the wheel once the other three lug nuts are installed. The clips make assembly much easier. ---
**Author:** ![EllyEllis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f14d63/32.png) [@EllyEllis](https://community.cartalk.com/u/EllyEllis)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 5:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/09-grand-caravan-lug-nuts-or-part-of-the-hubcap/73166/9 "2012-06-25T05:47:48Z")
OK I see the 2 clips. Thanks all.