Join the Car Talk Community!

Discussion Rules

Welcome to the Car Talk Community!

Want to ask a question or join the discussion? Great! Join now.

Sign In Register

Tires losing air.

I got a new tires for my 2001 dodge stratus with 85,000 on it. I have had to fill the air a few times and took it back. They said the rim needed to be cleaned and resealed again, why did they not do this the first time when the new tires were put on? Well they charged me $45 for all 4 which I knew was a pretty good deal so instead of arguing I just did it. Well same problem and now they are saying I have to replace the rims. I would not have thought much about it until he said "all dodges and chryslers need rims replaced at that mileage" So instead of buying rims I made appointment for next week so I could research this.
<br/> I grew up at a repair shop so I thought that was a fishy statement and thought they could have skipped out on these basic services to make more commissions. The only times I have seen rims that needed to be replaced was with dents and such and I have a few scratches but nothing more than that. I stopped into a few shops and they are saying they don't need to be replaced just put on right.
<br/> Has anyone ever heard of rims on dodge and chrysler vehicles needing to replaced around 80,000 miles?


  • edited December 2008
    Also wanted to add that this was a major chain and not a local shop.
    Thanks for any input.
  • edited December 2008
    You need a second opinion. Go someplace else. They should be able to find the leak. I "might" believe it if one tire had an issue, but to have all of them having a problem is troubling. My first thought is valve stems, but enen there, hard to believe they all failed at the same time. I bet on installation error.
  • edited December 2008
    If the wheels are of alloy construction, rather than steel, it IS possible for them to lose air as a result of becoming porous. This issue does not seem to be confined to any one make of car, and is a known issue with some alloy wheels.

    Are these alloy wheels?

  • edited December 2008
    The "All Dodges and Chryslers" story is bogus, as you know.

    It is possible, however, for alloy wheels to leak. I have this problem on one of my cars. It's very annoying, but I've learned to live with it.

    However, if you didn't have this problem before you got new tires, it's unlikely that the wheels are leaking. And if your car has steel wheels, they are NOT leaking.

    It's also true that tires lose pressure as the air temperature decreases, so tires mounted indoors, where the air temperature is 65-70 degrees, will lose pressure if the car is parked outside in winter. But I don't think that's your problem.

    I think your problem is "major chain and not a local shop." Major chains depend on volume to make money. The get you in and they send you out, as quickly as possible. Convenient, aren't they? But they lose money if they have to do anything "extra" to your car, such as remount the tires, so they tell you lies to make you go away.

    Local shops, on the other hand, thrive on customer service and repeat business. They want you to be happy, and they will usually do whatever it takes to make sure you are happy with your purchase.

    Dodge and Chrysler vehicles do NOT need to have their wheels replaced at 80K miles. This is the biggest load of BS I've heard in some time. How do they think they can get away with something so outrageous? Go back and DEMAND they do the job correctly. You paid for new tires, they shouldn't be a problem.
  • edited December 2008
    Yes they are alloy wheels.
    I am going to demand that they fix it right.
    Thanks to all of you for your valuable input!
  • edited December 2008
    I am having the same problem with one wheel on my 1999 Olds Aurora, and read recently something in Popular Mechanics about this problem with alloy wheels. I didn't believe it could be true. I don't know what I'll do eventually, but for now I've bought a compressor that runs from my lighter connection that will inflate a tire quickly, and I just watch the tire and reinflate it every few days.
  • edited December 2008
    Like others have said, if you didn't have this problem before the tire change, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that all four wheels suddenly developed leaks, same for valve stems. Some possibilities are: they damaged the rims (unlikely they damaged all, though); the tires are from a defective batch (what brand/model are they?); and the 'it's getting colder' option.
  • edited December 2008
    Pump the tires up to 40psi or so and spray the valve stems with soapy water. I bet that's where you will find the leaks..On alloy wheels, salt gets into the machined hole and corrodes it and the stems will no longer seal. This problem CAN be repaired..

    How quickly do the tires lose air?
  • edited December 2008
    They took advantage of you. Unless you have two piece wheels on your car there is no need to reseal the wheels. They either reused the valve stems or ripped the beading on the tire (Part of the tire you can't see while it is attached to the wheel). Have an honest shop look at the tire to see if they ripped the bead or reused the old valve stems. If they ripped the bead replace the tires at the honest shop and have the first shop refund your money - if they refuse, take them to court because they've had the tires off the wheels twice and refused to notice the ripped bead. If it turns out that they reused the valve stems and you weren't charged for them at the first shop just replace them and learn from the experience.
    I think the honest shop will find a ripped bead.
  • edited December 2008

    In addition to the issue of alloy wheels, the OP should inspect his tire valves to see if they are Dill brand valves. Unfortunately, that formerly respected company decided to have valves manufactured in China, and as we have come to expect, these Chinese-made products are cheaply made and are frequently defective.

    Just as surely as your child could be killed or made very ill by comtaminated Chinese milk products or by lead-infused Chinese-made toys, and just as surely as your dog could be killed by contaminated Chinese-made dog food, car owners could suffer serious consequences from the failure of cheap Chinese-made tire valves.

    If you go to you can view images of the defective valves and read information on how to have them replaced, gratis.

This discussion has been closed.